Thursday, 19 September 2013


Bharat Mata, aka Mother India, is home to over 1.2 billion people, with such diversity that is impossible to cover them all. It has a range of languages with every community having their own, they’re not even dialects..they have different meanings to words yet they are all united by the tongue of Hindi. It’s thought that the country has 347 spoken languages. Colours splash on the streets daily, devotees parade down celebrating festivals and there is never a moment where you would be sitting idly. Yet go outside and you can find landscapes ranging from jungles to deserts to mountain regions. It has culture, it has history and it has stupendous beauty.

India was a thriving country and had it not been for the British invasion, I think it would have been one of the most powerful countries already. However, what is rather odd about India are the mysteries surrounding it. What I am to do in this thread is bring just some of them to your eyes, which you’ve probably already met and try to show you that India is just not a country where poverty is seen but it’s rich domain where jewels can be found in the oddest of places.To cover topics ranging from its religion to conspiracies within it. If there’s any questions, free feel to ask. My thread is just one view, the fact is, there isn’t one “right” view when we come to talking about the scriptures so there are many variations.

  • A Brief Overview of Sacred Scriptures – Shruti and Smriti
  • An Aryan Conspiracy?
  • Ancient Tech: Nuclear Wars
  • Ancient Tech: Vimanas
  • Ancient Tech: Other
  • Secret Brotherhoods

A Brief Overview of Sacred Scriptures
Before we get onto the real cover-up, I’d like to give a brief overview to just some of the amazing literature India’s history holds. Many think Hinduism is one of the oldest living religions to still exist. There are elements from it which were part of the religion from the Indus Civilisation which abruptly vanished. Moreover, we have Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism that are closely related to it. Its scriptures are the basis of India and Nepal’s main religion; Hinduism. To me, Hinduism is

rather strange compared to other religions. There is no single founder, there is no single set of teachings and there is no single set of teachings which people HAVE to adhere to. For example, you cannot find ‘The Ten Commandments’ like in Christianity...Here religion is just based on stories, interpretation of them and that’s one of the reasons what makes Hinduism so unique. Key figures teach different philosophies and many consider the sacred scriptures to be a ‘way of life’ or a ‘family of religions’ rather than a single religion.

Shruti Literature
The Vedas are part of the Shruti literature which contain revelations, which can be translated to ‘which is heard.’ Many consider the Vedas to be divine in origin and not made by humans. It’s thought that they were composed in the early stages of civilisation, passed down in generations and written around 1500BC. They are thought to be nitya (eternal) and apauruseya (our of this world.) Many Hindus believe in something similar to animism for example, the words written in the Vedas are Brahma Dev himself.

The word ‘Veda’ means wisdom, knowledge. They are the oldest and most authoritative scriptures of Hinduism. Hindus believe that they weren’t composed by anyone but “revealed” to Rishis. The Vedas consist of:

1) Rigveda (written before the Aryans settled in India)
2) Yajurveda
3) Samaveda
4) Atharvaveda

Each of these are then made up of 4 divisions which are separated into:
-Samhita – hymns
-Brahmana – rituals and moral principles
-Aryanyaka – meditations
-Upanishads – records of transcendental experiences

They all address not only the divine gods and goddesses but spiritual entities that exist in our awareness and awake as we progress through the various stages of advancement for Self Realisation. Looking deeper, one can see the descent of specific energies/forces descending into our consciousness from higher worlds.

The truths and principles from the Upanishads were all brought together in the form of sutras. These are known as the ‘Brahma Sutras’ and form the basis of the philosophy system, also known as Vedanta –Darshana. To read more about the Vedantas:

The 4 parts of the Vedas have significance to the four ashramas of life, the 4 stages of life:

1)Brahmacharya – this is the phase of the student.
2)Grihasthashrama – this is phase of the householder. They adult must live a righteous life and work for the preservation of family and society by carrying our righteous deeds.
3)Vanaprastha – At this stage the person leaves his house and properties to the children and go and lead a spiritual life.
4)Sanyasashrama – The final stage where the person renounces all worldly life and spends it in contemplation of God and self.

Smriti Literature
Compared to the revelations as written above, the Smriti literature is a product of human intellect where the information is based upon the Vedas and their interpretations of it. Yes, there are law books such as the ‘Dharma Shastras’ which are of 4. Manusmriti is the most popular which is like a guidebook to human conduct, social and religious behaviour. In many of the Dharma Shastras there are rules on groups of individuals such as castes.

Yes, there have been a lot of criticism to it; the caste system, the status of women which is definitely narrow minded, please remember that this doesn’t have the same status as the Vedas and is written by humans....this all came as a by-product of them and their political and social circumstances. These books do not have to be necessarily accepted as final authority on any issue...unlike the Vedas they are not eternal or fallible. There is no caste system in the Vedas nor discrimination between man and women.

Itihasa means history. The Mahbharata and Ramayana are included in this category, which have some very interesting occurrences which I hope to talk about later on in the thread. Another is the well known Bhagavad Gita.

Mahabharata is the story of Pandavas and Kauravas and greed for the political power which led to massive war and destruction of both families, leaving the Pandavas winning only probably because Krishna Bagwaan gave his support to them. It is indeed difficult to read this without coming to terms with the destructive nature of mankind and the dangers of us.
The BG describes the message of Krishna Bagwaan to Arjuna on the battlefield in the Mahabharata. However, it’s not just to him but to entire humanity describing words of wisdom to help not only with external battles but battles internally as well. There’s a lot of spiritual truth within it. The Ramayana is the story of Rama and his battle against the demons by Ravana. He abducts Sita and it tells the tale of the rescue her and a quite unique twist at the end.

These describe the religious events that happened in the past.
They deal with the numerous incarnations of God and the deeds done by them. While the above epics deal with what happened on earth in the past, the Puranas just don’t deal with Gods on earth but on their different planes. There is their own Vedic conception of time which we separate out into 4 stages and we are thought to be in the fourth stage. What is written below is found in the Puranas which is considered to be the fifth Veda.

1) Satya-Yuga: 17,28,000human years
2) Treta-Yuga:  12,96,000human years
3)Dvapara-Yuga:8,64,000human years
4) Kali-Yuga:      4,32,000human years

The Puranas describe the above four stages. The first one is thought to be the “Golden Age.” There is no such thing as hate nor envy, no such thing as fear....just wisdom and virtue dominate this era. People in this age live for around 100,000 years. The second stage is where the good qualities reduce by a third (though others may say a quarter.) Sacrifices are introduced with people desiring goods, wanting to be rewarded for work. They live now for a maximum for 10,000 years. In the third stage, its good qualities are only a half of what it was in the Treta-Yuga. The Vedas are divided into 4 parts and a minority study them. Sensual desires, diseases and injustice begin to spread and people here live to a maximum of 1000 years. Lastly, we come to the Iron Age, where men are short lived and have less intelligence. The maximum duration is 100 years of human life. Humans are now misled, disturbed and morals and principles are literally not to be seen.

What’s interesting is that as the number of good qualities decrease, the lifespan of the humans decrease. And well, we do rarely live to the age of 100 which have been predicted by scriptures that are written thousands and thousands of years ago.

An Aryan Conspiracy?!
History is most often written with an agenda. Early indologists wished to control and convert the followers of Vedic cultures, therefore spreading the word that the Vedas were simply mythology. Let’s take Max Muller for example. He initially wrote that the ‘Vedas were worse than savage’ and that India must be conquered again by education. He went on to say that the religion there is doomed although later on glorified the Vedas.

It was these Indologists that devised the Aryan Invasion Theory who many believe intentionally misinterpreted the Sanskrit language to make the Vedas look primitive. It is no secret that the British who invaded India, tried to make India feel ashamed of their own culture, thus indicating that perhaps these men were motivated by a racial bias. Nowadays, the Aryan Invasion Theory is under scrutiny. Did it actually occur? Nope. No evidence that it actually did occur. The Vedic culture is thought to have derived from foreign soil according to the Aryan invasion yet there are NO FINDINGS that can be associated with Aryan people coming to India.

Nowhere in the Vedas is there a single mention of an Aryan homeland outside of India, yet the Saraswati River where two thirds of the 2,500 Indus sites were found, was. Now the Aryans are thought to have arrived AFTER the Saraswati River dried up. Why would a desolated river be mentioned over 50 times in the Rig Veda if there was no use for the river? Why would the Aryans even write about it? The way the Saraswati River is described in the Vedas indicate that it was written pre-Aryan.

There is no genetic, cultural, archaeological substantial evidence proving that there was an invasion. It is all just theory and yet it’s still being taught as a fact today in textbooks, in schools.

Max Muller is the main guy who actually proposed the Aryan Invasion. Now...anyone seeing what I’m seeing? Is anyone already seeing the manipulation I’m seeing? This guy believed in the Biblical chronology. He placed the world at 400BC and the flood approximately 2500BC and therefore randomly suggested that the Aryans came to India around 1500BC. However he later goes on to contradict himself. He admitted the purely speculative nature of the Vedic chronology yet it appears all of mankind have seemed to turn a blind eye to that.

Now let us examine the facts about the so-called evidences in support of AIT:

1. Real Meaning of the Word 'ARYA' In 1853, Max Muller introduced the word 'Arya' into the English and European usage as applying to a racial and linguistic group when propounding the Aryan Racial theory. However, in 1888, he himself refuted his own theory and wrote:

Actually there is evidence that the scriptures are indigenous to the Indians that occupied the country. For example the linguistic characteristic between the Indus civilisation and Vedic is so similar. Om symbols can be found, the swastika and many more. Harappan seals have been deciphered consistently Vedic.
Pottery found has written ‘the sacred land which is bounded by the Saraswati River.’ Again, that river is mentioned in the Vedas. Even the practices of some gods from the Indus civilisation were found in the Vedas as well.

Even the word ‘Aryan’ which means ‘master race’ seems rather big headed. It shows me an image of people who believe that they are right. Why would
the Aryans who invaded write in a different language that is not their own? And in Sanskrit...a very difficult language? They wouldn’t. A proud race like them would have not bothered trying to learn the new culture or language and tried to rein everything with their own. We should be seeing a different culture that the Aryans would have brought with them.

So all in all, here are some major flaws which mentioned above clearly shown:
  • There is no mention of a region outside of India. If indeed the Aryans had taken over, they would have at least spoken about their “mighty victory” of capturing the land of India. If Hindu-Aryans were outsiders, why are all the holy places found in India?
  • Why talk about the Saraswati river more than 50 times when it dried up by the time of the so called invasion? It had no use. Why praise it?
  • If the Aryans invaded the towns of the Harappa valley and killed the citizens...why did they not take over the towns and live there themselves?
  • There is no genetic, cultural, archaeological substantial evidence proving that there was an invasion. It is all just theory and yet it’s still being taught as a fact today in textbooks, in schools.
  • Max Muller created the Aryan Invasion Theory and later on admitted its speculative nature.

More info on anomalies within Aryan Invasion Theory (scroll down)

More About the Vedantas:

There is actually substanstial evidence that the Mahabharata war actually occurred, such as in Kurukshetra, the scene of the Mahabharata war, iron arrows and spearheads have been excavated and dated by thermoluminence to 2,800 B.C.E., the approximate date of the war given within the Mahabharata itself. And below I’d like to talk about another one.

Dwarka, known as Dvaraka, is one of the cities that are mentioned in the Mahabharata. It was a port city having a lot of trade relations. More famously it is known famously it is referred to the capital of Krishna Bagwaan’s capital, which arose from the ocean at his commend and returned when Krishna Bagwaan no longer walked the earth. The most expensive materials were used for construction, commonly gold, precious stone sand silver. This is all learnt from the Mahabharata and we also learn:

The sea, which had been beating against the shores, suddenly broke the boundary that was imposed on it by nature. The sea rushed into the city. It coursed through the streets of the beautiful city. The sea covered up everything in the city. I saw the beautiful buildings becoming submerged one by one. In a matter of a few moments it was all over. The sea had now become as placid as a lake. There was no trace of the city. Dwaraka was just a name; just a memory. – Arjuna, Mahabharata

The search for the lost city was ongoing since the 1930s. The MAU (Marine Archaelogy Unit) of the National Institute of Oceanography took part in this search in 1983 and yes, it was found. Excavations have been made actually finding this city underwater CORRESPONDING with the Mahabharata. Scary isn’t it? It was discovered between 1983 to 1990, and found to have been built in six sectors along the banks of a river. The foundation of boulders on which the city's walls were erected proves that the land was reclaimed from the sea. The general layout found agrees with what is found in the Vedas. Moreover, dating has shown that it appears to have sunk approximately 9500 years ago. This once again, appears to have occurred during the Mahabharata period.

One of the main objects that actually further proved that this city was Dwarka was a seal of a three headed animal. In the Vedas, it describes that this seal was given to the citizens as an identity of proof when the city was being threaded by King Jarasandha. This seal was also found in the ruins under the ocean.
Not only does Dwarka collaborate by the words written in the scriptures but the 3 cities that the Pandavas had at the end of the Mahabharata shows cultural consistency with the events and even images such as on pottery painted of the win. Talking about cities. Let me briefly mention Hastinapur. In the Vayu Puranas and Matsya, a great flood occurred which destroyed the capital city of Hastinapur. This made the inhabitants move to Kausambi where archaeological evidence actually has been found and dated back to just after the flood. The soil of Hastinapur also shows proof for the flooding.

Ancient Tech - Evidence For A Nuclear War
What’s rather odd is that within the ancient scriptures there are continuous mentions of advanced technology from mechanical flying machines to weapons that seem like our own. Think about it carefully. People from thousands and thousands of years ago could think of weapons that we have created, think of disasters that have already occurred yet described in detail and people thousands of years ago, who we believe lived primitively had the ability to think of it? That’s just incredible. The writings so clearly compare to e.g. nuclear wars that we have to question how they could think that with such remarkable detail and even question if they indeed had the technology for that....If they did, that would mean a big, big change in all of our thinking today.

A wise man once stated:
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

What Einstein said was magnificent., yet give it a moment....what if he was only relating the past? What if humans had to start again, had to fight again with sticks and stones?

The human race appears to be very arrogant. We consider ourselves as the most superior in all of history and out of all species. Well, I don’t think so. The destruction that we cause is fuelled by our greed and hunger for power. And apparently to people, that seems to be a perfectly sound reason. Yet let us go way way back. I actually believe there was advanced technology in many cultures. If we try to go back in history, we’d just come to a massive gap where we know nothing. Let’s look at some ancient technology that appeared in the Hindu scriptures.

Some interesting links:
Hindu Wisdom
A Myth or a Reality?


The Mahabharata is rather strange. As shown above, there is actually loads of evidence that the Vedas are true. In this beautiful literature depicting a war, we see many mentions of effects of what we call ‘nuclear weapons.’

Here’s one passage:

“Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana [fast aircraft],
hurled a single projectile [rocket]
charged with the power of the Universe [nuclear device].

An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
as bright as ten thousand suns,
rose with all its splendour.
It was an unknown weapon,
an iron thunderbolt,
a gigantic messenger of death,
which reduced to ashes
the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned
as to be unrecognizable.

Hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.

…After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected…
…to escape from this fire
the soldiers threw themselves in streams
to wash themselves and their equipment.”

Reading through it, a lot of what is written does appear familiar. Indeed, when a nuclear blast occurs we see a lengthy column that is emitting light and smoke. Our food becomes contaminated and deadly to falls out....corpses are burned. These are all sure signs of a nuclear blast. However, most people die from the effects of the nuclear blasts, the radiation and this passage probably describes the actual blast itself.

A historian:

The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees. Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out. – Kisari Mohun Ganguli (historian)

Francis Taylor, an archaeologist, said that etchings in nearby temples, which he translated, suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. "It's so mid-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."

Here’s another passage:

“Dense arrows of flame,
like a great shower,
issued forth upon creation,
encompassing the enemy.
A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts.
All points of the compass were lost in darkness.
Fierce wind began to blow
Clouds roared upward,
showering dust and gravel.

Birds croaked madly…
the very elements seemed disturbed.
The sun seemed to waver in the heavens
The earth shook,
scorched by the terrible violent heat of this weapon.

Elephants burst into flame
and ran to and fro in a frenzy…
over a vast area,
other animals crumpled to the ground and died.
From all points of the compass
the arrows of flame rained continuously and fiercely.”

And this one is from the Ramanya:

”(It was a weapon) so powerful
that it could destroy the earth in an instant–
A great soaring sound in smoke and flames–
And on it sits death…” . — The Ramayana

It has a resemblance to deaths by radiation poisoning and the blast itself.

A Town near Mohenjo-Daro
There’s a lot of discussion from what I’ve seen on ATS and outside about this topic on mysterious weapons found once again in the Mahabharata. Many people believe it’s myths but there’s an uncanny resemblance once again to what is written in the Vedas. The effects described seem to be identical to what they actually are.

Near Mohenjo-Daro, excavations were carried out in the early 1900s which led to a large town being discovered. Rather than what it held, scientists are more intrigued by its death. There is no evidence of a flood; there weren’t many skeletons nor remnants of weapons nor anything else that showed there was a war or a natural disaster. From the scientific analysis, the catastrophe had occurred very quickly and unexpectedly. So what actually caused this?

Davneport and Vincenti are 2 scientists who put forward a theory...that there was a nuclear blast. What they found was stratums of green glass and clay which causes archaeologists to believe that there were high temperatures that melted the clay and sand and immediately hardened afterwards. These stratums of green glass can be found in Nevada desert AFTER EVERY nuclear explosion. Researchers believe that the temperature was over 1,500 degrees centigrade to melt this. If we look at the walls and foundations of the city, there are literally vitrified; fused together.

There also appeared to be some kind of “epicentre.” Destruction appears to have lessened towards the outskirts. Loads of skeletons were found in the area of Mohenjo-Daro which were 50 times more radioactive than normal which were found by a Soviet scholar. What’s unsettling is that many of these skeletons were found all over the place, holding hands and sprawled in the streets. The skeletons are thousands of years old and there appears to be no cause of physically violent death. They have been dated back to 2500 BC but please remember when atomic explosions are involved; it makes it seem much younger. Carbon-dating meaurs the amount of radiation left which for this type is rather unreliable. Furthermore, why didn’t they get eaten by wild animals? And why didn’t it decay?

Rajasthan: Radioactive Ash
If we look at some other cities nearby, in Northern India, many show evidence for explosions of a massive magnitude. In one city between the Ganga and the Rajmahal mountains, we can find it’s been subjected to intense heat.

Yet let us go to Rajasthan. This one particularly caught my eye. A heavy layer of ash covers a 3 square mile area. This is around 10 miles west of Jodhpur. The levels of radiation are so high that the government has now made that region off limits. Scientists have also found a high rate of birth defects and cancer where a housing development was built. Scientists then apparently unearthed an ancient city where they found evidence of an atomic blast dating back thousands of years: from 8,000 to 12,000 years. Most of the buildings were destroyed and apparently ½ a million people.

Could this possibly be another piece of evidence that the Mahabharata’s events occurred?

Quite a fascinating video to watch:

Ancient Tech – UFOs
Clearly the ancient story of mankind is far more exciting than anything we are taught in school today. Various threads, evidence, show the lies, the misconceptions that children are fed and manipulated to believe causing many humans to share the narrow and rigid mind many have. Be open to all the prospects; don’t believe that this can’t occur because you think it can’t. There’s no evidence neither proving nor disproving it. I hear numerous times that ‘people couldn’t do this or that because they just couldn’t be clever enough in the past.’ What’s more, it’s easy to wipe out civilisations as we’ve seen in history...what’s stopping an event that destroys any signs of intelligence?

Vimanas are thought to be like UFOs. There are, once again, many mentions of flying aircrafts in the Mahabharata during the battle. In the Mahabharata, there is an enormous poem where we learn that a guy called Asura Maya had a Vimana, that has 4 wheels and measures 12 cubits in circumference and the Ramayana describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome. Furthermore it’s thought that the Vimanas were able to be made invisible in some way. When Krishna Bagwaan was pursuing Salva, his Vimana was made invisible in some way. However, Krishna Bagwaan, it is said, fired off a special weapon, that ‘quickly laid an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound.’

The Puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will.... that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky"... and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.” – Ramayana In the Samarangana Sutradhara, it’s written:

Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth. The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.

How to engineer this though?
Imagine a mechanical study on Apollo’s Sun Chariot. Well this is what one of the Kings who reigned from 1000-1055AD who went by the name of King Bhoja of Dhar did. One of his most famous works is an encyclopaedia on Indian architecture the Samarangana Sutradhara as I mentioned above. This man went on to talk about the Vimanas, much more than any other Vedic texts. He portrays them as practical machines and nothing “celestial” about them. He wrote about them having a ‘mercury engine,’ possibly it having an internal iron heating apparatus. What’s rather strange is that the man wrote:

"manufacturing details of the vimanas are withheld for the sake of secrecy, not out of ignorance.”

Subbaraya Shastry
In 1918, a guy named Subbaraya Shastry fell into a trance where he recited ancient Sanskrit verses. He then went to speak of the Vimanas. Rather than stories about the gods, he spoke scientifically about them and apparently they were written already by an ancient guy called Bharadvaja. 35 years on, this text was found and translated into Hindi and published by G.R. Joyser.

It is called the ‘Vaimanika Shastra.’ This one goes into a lot of detail compared to the Vedic texts and Bhoja. It has 8 titles, a few being:
Chapter 1 – The secret of constructing airplanes which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire and cannot be destroyed
Chapter 3 – The secret of making planes invisible
Chapter 8 – The secrets of destroying enemy planes
Particularly interesting is a discussion of how flying has changed over time: in the earliest Yuga (epoch), the text claims that people could fly without the use of vimanas. In other words, Indians invented ancient flying machines only after they lost the ability to fly on their own. The text goes on to describe a number of specific vimana models (complete with fine drawings by a local engineer), serving various purposes; some are built to carry hundreds of passengers or large loads of ammunition, others have the capacity to transform into boats or submarines.

Finally, the text cites 32 “secrets” related to construction and operation of vimanas. These include anti-gravity, radar, invisibility, the use of heat-absorbent metal alloys, solar energy, protective force-fields, and mirrors and lenses crafted for purposes of attack and defense. Also included are concoctions of animal urine as a source of power as well as a weapon called a ‘marika,’ which resembles modern laser technology.Proponents of ancient technology theories, for whom the apparently thousands-of-years-old Vaimanika Shastra is a touchstone, point out that the manuscript references “the work of no less than 70 authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity.”

When the Vaimanika Shastra was brought before the Indian Institute of Science, the scientists scoffed. As thoroughly as it had been written, the committee just as thoroughly dismantled the study in an essay called A Critical Study of the Work Vymanika Shastra. They questioned whether the author (whoever that may have been) had any grasp of basic physics, chemistry and electricity, not to mention the “disciplines of aeronautics: aerodynamics, aeronautical structures, propulsive devices, materials, and metallurgy.” Their conclusion: “None of the planes has properties or capabilities of being flown; the geometries are unimaginably horrendous from the point of view of flying; and the principles of propulsion make them resist rather than assist flying.”

Okay, let’s suppose there was NO WAY IN HELL trying to fly them....think more about what was written thousands of years ago...radar technology, anti-gravity, invisibility? Some of this stuff we’re still experimenting on. Even for them to have the concepts about these would in my opinion, make them definitely advanced. Much more advanced than we believe them to be.

Why did the Indian Institute of Science went to great lengths to dismiss the Vaimanika Shastra? Why does the Vimanas repeatedly mentioned throughout history? Moreover, what inspired the writers to believe in and continuously write about these aircrafts?

Yet we talk about the Vimanas, but apparently theorists claim there to be a previous type of Vimanas. In the Rig Veda, it’s described as ‘golden coloured...birds’ that fly ‘up to the heavens.’ They also appear to be structural:

Another translation adds “pivots and instruments” to the description. Advocates of ancient technology theories call them the “mechanical birds.”

In the Ramayana (ca. 4th century BC), the Hindu epic poem recounting how Lord Rama rescues his wife Sita from the evil god Ravana, vimana experts cite the flying chariot called the Pushpaka vimana:
Self-propelled was that car. It was large and finely painted. It had two stories and many chambers with windows... It gave forth a melodious sound as it coursed along its airy way.

Later, the Pushpaka vimana is described as an “aerial and excellent chariot going everywhere at will…[rising] up into the higher atmosphere.”

Furthermore, Arjuna describes:

“celestial cars by thousands stationed in their respective places and capable of going everywhere at will, and he saw tens of thousands of such cars moving in every direction.”

And it goes on about an iron city in space.

In another Indian source, the Samar, the Vimanas were

“iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame.

Yet it doesn’t even stop there. There’s information in the Chaldean work, ‘The Sifrala’ which contains over a hundred pages on details on building the flying machine. It contains words that mean in English; graphite rods, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles. Going on, we can also find batteries in ancient scriptures written:

In another amazing Indian text the Agastrya Samhita gives the precise directions for constructing electrical batteries:

"Place a well-cleaned copper plate in an earthenware vessel.
Cover it first by copper sulfate and then moist sawdust.
After that put a mercury-amalgamated-zinc sheet on top of
an energy known by the twin name of Mitra-Varuna. Water will
be split by this current into Pranavayu and Udanavayu. A
chain of one hundred jars is said to give a very active
and effective force."
ÄÄ Agastya Samhita
(Indian Princes' Library)

By the way, MITRA-VARUNA is now called cathode-anode, and Pranavayu
and Udanavayu are to us oxygen and hydrogen. This document again
demonstrates the presence of electricity in the East, long, long

Source: .

Alexander the Great
Now we come onto the theories. I found this from an article, that I thought I’d briefly mention since it caught my eye:

It is interesting to note that when Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by "flying,fiery shields" that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying saucers" did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer India.

Apparently (and it’s a big apparently since I can’t find any evidence for this) the Soviet scientists have also found ‘age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles’ in the caves in the Gobi desert and Turkestan. They have a drop of mercury inside and are hemispherical. Could it be a Vimana?

Of course I don’t know how credible this is but if indeed this is true...more evidence to add to quite a substantial pile already.

More interesting links to browse through:
Proof Indian Civilisation Was Advanced (ATS Thread)
More (and probably better) info on Vimanas
Ancient Indian Flying Machines, UFOs or Sanskrit Sci-fi?
A PDF on Vimanas
More quotes on Vimanas from the scriptures
Mentions of Aircrafts (Forum post)

A video from a segment from the History Channel on Vimanas:

Ancient Tech - Other
And no, it just doesn’t stop there with the “weapons” and technology. There’s loads mentioned in the books. What’s more, it’s not just one that has similarities with ours but there’s so many. Let’s look at the some of the Astras; weapons:

Agneyastra Brahmastra,Chakram, Garudastra, Kaumodaki, Narayanastra, Pashupata, Shiva Dhanush, Sudarshana Chakra, Trishul, Vaishnavastra, Varunastra, and Vayavastra.

These weapons are said to only be able to be used by the Gods. They use the elements to their strength. Out of all these, the Brahmastra is the most powerful weapon. It can only be used for one person but it’s absolutely lethal. The first passage that I mentioned in the nuclear war section is thought to be the effects of this use. It contained the power of the universe and the passage describes nuclear radiation effects....this then could have probably been the nuclear weapon.

Another weapon that seems similar to what we have today is the missile. In the Mahabharata, we learn that Salva who was flying in an invisible Vimana was attacked by a special fire weapon that seeked sound and downed the Vimana and killed Salva.

Then you can find “mirrors” that are used to amplifiy light, deflect, reflect etc light. Reminds me of laser beams and holograms. Most of the information on this bit is from this blog which I believe this is the source: url=]The Anti-Gravity Book by David Childress[/url] which is probably worth then reading.

The 5 main Darpana Yantras are:
1) Vishwa kriyaa darpana: This device is used to obtain high resoluton real-time imagery of all activites around the Vimana, while in flight, and projected onto some screen. These lens are placed in a special arrangement with crystals, special mirrors and through a combination of solar, electric and mercury power are projected through some mechanism.

2) Shaktyakarshana darpana: This device is used as a protection to neutralize harmful radiation in certain atmospheric zones. It is made up of 6 crystals positioned in a special arrangement that attract the harmful radiation and then gradually covert it to heat before it dissipates into the atmosphere.

3) Vyroopya darpana: This is tactical device used to project battle field holographic images to confuse the enemy or to change the appearance of the Vimanas with a special deflecting mirror.

4) Guha garbha darpana: This is a weapon device and used to harness the energy from the sun, winds, and ether and to redirect it to incapaciate the enemy via a special redirecting mirror; essentially a directed energy weapon.

5) Rowdree Darpana: This is also some kind of directed energy weapon device. It combined Rodwdree beams(?) with solar rays and produces a high heat intensity ray that can melt anything it is directed on.

Other Yantras in the Vimana:

Guhagarbha Aadarsha Yantra: Used to locate mines or hidden explosives through air-reconnaissance. Through a sequence of mirrors and image reflecters an image of the ground below is obtained, which is then processed through a special crystal Chumbakamani, and then electricity and light rays are passed through it and then directed on a downwards mirror, that scans the ground.

Tamogarbh Yantra: Used to create some form of invisibility. The device works with revolving two faced mirrors collecting solar rays, activation of acid in the vessel on the opposite side, of mirrors, allowing solar ray to enter the crystal in an acid vessel. By turning a separate wheel in the west, darkness-intensifying mirror begin to function. By operation of a central wheel the rays attracted by the mirror will reach the crystal and envelop it. By operating the main wheel at high speed, darkness will envelop the entire vimana making it invisible.

Shabdhakarshaka yantra: Used in listening to sound waves in a range of 27 miles. It works on some kind of rotary component sensitive to sound.
Going on according to the source, it states that China found a few years ago documents in Sanskrit which they sent back to India to be translated. They spoke off directions for building interstellar spaceships.

Their method of propulsion, she said, was “anti-gravitational” and was based upon a system analogous to that of “laghima,” the unknown power of the ego existing in man’s physiological makeup, “a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull.” According to Hindu Yogis, it is this “laghima” which enables a person to levitate.

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called “Astras” by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of “antima”; “the cap of invisibility” and “garima”; “how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead.”

Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity.

So what I got really out of that is...the Chinese are researching anti-gravity because of Vedic scriptures?

It doesn’t really talk about any interstellar travelling however in the Ramayana there’s a detailed trip to the moon and details of a battle with another airship.

This is just a small amount of technology that they talk about in the Mahabharata and a couple of small quotes...there are too many quotes referring to all these technology to put into this thread...there’s loads of sources on the Internet if you’d like to find out more.

Secret Brotherhoods
I’ve also read on many articles (which appear to be copied and pasted from an original source which I have no idea what it is) that allegedly, there are secret brotherhoods which are hording the Vimanas and keeping it a secret from us. Those that know about this are thought to be “exceptionally enlightened” human beings and keep their knowledge away from us. That’s not surprising at all. I mean, they know we’d use it for devastation, for bad purposes as history time and time shows us. If I knew something that could be potentially used to cause death or such, I wouldn’t even utter a word.

Many writers believe that these Brotherhoods keep the Vimanas in caverns in Tibet or in underground bases. The Lop Nor Desert is meant to be a big UFO mystery and that could indeed be a place. Again, there is indeed no evidence for this. Just theories. But this theory must have started somewhere and should have an element of truth. If it’s correct, it’s one great hidden secret.

Slightly deviating I’d quickly like to mention the ‘Nine Unknown Men.’ They are actually probably one of the most famous secret societies thought to exist. To read more, click here: ATS Thread on Nine Unknown Men. Skip any references to ‘Lost’ and it seems quite believable. The ancient Indians possessed loads of knowledge and I wouldn’t be surprised if this was true. Each of them guarded one book of knowledge...also at this point, I’d further like to say that in my family there’s one particular legend that COULD relate to this. Apparently, some Germans came to visit India...and read these books. Legend has it, they stole it and took it with them...hence the whole engineering phase of Germany and how absolutely amazing it is with its technology.

Anyway back to the NUM. They apparently had to keepsake 1 book each. People say that these books are hidden in a secret library in India/Tibet...or they could be lost...or one or two books could be with the Germans...

The Nine Books
It was said that the each of the Nine had responsibility over one book – guarding it from society and also trying to improve the knowledge in it. This means that each of the Nine had access to the source of this knowledge, were from another planet, or just unbelievably intelligent.

Each book had a different branch of this knowledge. The practices of the disciplines talked about are said to cause the destruction of the world. It is widely accepted that the following subjects were covered:

1) PROPAGANDA AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE – This is a set of messages aimed to influence the opinions and behaviour of large numbers of the people; basically information that influences the audient; allowing a mass opinion. It will allow anyone to govern the world.

Allowing anyone to govern the world. Sounds familiar to anyone? Many people believe in the NWO, Antichrist and so on.

2)PHYSIOLOGY – This is the study of the mechanical, physical and biochemical functions of living organisms. It is well known to hold instructions on how to perform the “touch of death.” (Basically, death is caused by a reversal of the nerve impulse.) The are rumours, true or false, that speak of Judo being leaked from this book.

3) (MICRO)BIOLOGY AND BIOTECHNOLOGY - A myth known very well to the inhabitants of India is that the water of Ganges is holy – special microbes were added to purify the rivers water (the microbes were designed by the Nine). It was said that the microbes were released into the river at a secret base in the Himalayas.

However the thing to be considered is that there are millions of ill, diseased pilgrims. Some with horrific ones. However, they can bathe in there without harming the healthy pilgrims. Rather unusual isn’t it? It has been discovered though, that the strange properties of the water are credited also to the bacteriophages that are contained. I’m not very good with this part of the topic, however isn’t one of the main ways people gain diseases and so on are through human contact? Surely the pathogens would be carried through the water.

4) ALCHEMY (+ TRANSMUTATION OF METALS) - Another major rumour in India is that during times of drought and other natural disasters, it has been said that temples and religious organisations receive large quantities of gold. They do not know who gave it from them. The fact that India has a few gold mines has puzzled many, also due to the large amount of gold given. However, this isn’t to say this is true – it could be a made up rumour to soothe the folks there. Also, we see India as a poor (but rapidly developing) country makes us wonder if there was really gold given to the country.

5) COMMUNTION (+ WITH E-Ts) – It probably indicates how to communicate with E-Ts and maybe new and advanced ways to communicate on Earth.

6) GRAVITATION (VAMINAKA SASTRA) - Many of you should be known to the Vimana. Apparently, this book does contain instructions on how to make one.

7) COSMOLOGY - If you believe in UFOs, one of the main queries is how they can travel so fast. In the 7th book, it describes how to travel at enormous speeds through spacetime fabric – possibly time travel. It seems that intra and inter universal trips are also discussed in this.

In the Indian Puranas, thought to be more than 1200 years old. A speed of the sun is given based on the Rig Veda. That speed is: 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesa. These are given in ancient indian units. Here is a conversion:

A yojanas is 8000 Dhanus/bows and each bow is 6 feet
A nimesa is 16/73 of a second, as deduced from the following in the Purans:

15 nimesa = 1 Kastha
30 Kastha = 1 Kala
30 Kala = 1 Mahutra
30 Malhutra = 1 day and night

If we convert them to their equivalent modern units, where each yojanas is 9 miles and each nimesha is 16/73.3 seconds, substituting it into the speed of the sun by the Rig Veda gives the speed of the sun as 186,536 miles per second which is most definitely not far off.

This means the Rig Veda figure is pretty accurate to the modern figure. This kind of accuracy can only be achieved with laser technology and highly sophisticated measuring equipment. However, this just corroborates what we already know from the Vymanika Shastra, that they did indeed have laser technology.

8) LIGHT - In this, it describes how to increase and decrease the speeds of light, to use it as a weapon and so on. Recently, we’ve seen such things as light being repelled and so on. Maybe we’ll eventually reach this stage? This works quite well with the Darpana Yantras.

9) SOCIOLOGY - The final books contains rules, laws , predictions, in a way on the evolution of societies and how to predict their downfall. This probably is one of the key ones – wouldn’t anyone want to stop fate (considering if this is actually true)?


There’s actually no physical, tangible evidence that some of this is actually true so please bear that in mind. Yet the depth of some of the writing, or the fact it’s even mentioned seems bewildering. For example, who would have come up with a nuclear blast? I mean, we didn’t even know what the effects were until actually testing it out and unfortunately that appeared to occur at Japan. We didn’t know how bad it’d be, or even what it’d look like. The Vimanas as well. Why would they talk about chariots or flying machines? Laser technology? How can one come up with that with no advanced knowledge?

What would have sparked that imagination that seems to protrude from the scriptures? Aliens? Or are these actual feats of intelligence? Or is it just another story contorted as it passed down society?
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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 10:50 AM
Just because I think this is worthy to put into here. The following images are taken from crystalinks. Don’t underestimate the Egyptians my friends. From this image we can see many variations of flying crafts that can be so to say, matched up, with todays engineering. Let’s once again remember how old these are...very, very old.

This obviously shows a helicopter:

This could be a submarine?

This looks like a glider:
And this is quite obvious:

Its weird how the Hindu mark almost looks like the Nazi symbol but without the dots in the center, it just goes to show how most of us are linked directly to the past. I find the bottom pics to have quite a resemblance to modern day automobiles as well. Well done once again BP. $&F

posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Stop-loss!
reply to post by BlackPoison94

Its weird how the Hindu mark almost looks like the Nazi symbol but without the dots in the center

The Nazi's pinched the Swastika for their own nefarious purposes. The Swastika has been around for thousands of years.

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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 11:46 AM
First off S & F

This has been a great presentation.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Before some other members come in and try to knock down some of the supposedly "Less than historically accurate angles" of the thread let me say, I too agree that we do in fact have lost periods and or gaps in mankind history. Not just in India but all over the planet as well. As I've stated elsewhere I'm not sure the "Ancients" ever reached our level or used our modern type of technology but maybe something closer to what Tesla was probably working on.

I think the true and complete history of the Indus valley has yet to be written. I've often wondered where the origins of the Indus valley civilization came from? I believe the original inhabitants/founders moved North from the coast following the ancient rivers inland away from the rising oceans during the last of the ice age melt off to settle in all along the ancient river valley. Some of which {as had} already been pointed out are now presently dry and dead rivers.

Lost city 'could rewrite history'

The remains of what has been described as a huge lost city may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history. Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old. The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.

The area in question is off the west coast of India. In this image from Google it would be the light blue area. The theoretical coast line would be at the farthest extent from the present coast line to the outer edge of the light blue area in this picture.

I find it rather interesting when we consider that there has been no real evidence of Stone Age tool making in India. Then as it seems out of nowhere again we have one of the worlds earliest civilizations show up along the Indus valley.

I believe an early Indian stone Age civilization/culture had to move inland as the oceans slowly rose to their present day levels {Due to the last of the ice age melt off} and covered up any evidence of early Stone Age development. So when dealing with India's oral tradition and written "Myths" I say we should give them a bit more fair and balanced scrutiny than many do in the modern world.

History of India

Isolated remains of Homo erectus in Hathnora in the Narmada Valley in Central India indicate that India might have been inhabited since at least the Middle Pleistocene era, somewhere between 200,000 to 500,000 years ago.[5][6] Most traces of the out of Africa migration along the shores of the Indian Ocean seem to have been lost. Due to flooding in the post-Ice Age period, recent finds in Tamil Nadu (at c. 75,000 years ago, before and after the explosion of the Toba volcano) indicate the presence of the first anatomically modern humans in the area.

The Mesolithic period in the Indian subcontinent covered a time span of around 25,000 years, starting around 30,000 years ago. More extensive settlement of the subcontinent occurred after the end of the last Ice Age, or approximately 12,000 years ago. The first confirmed permanent settlements appeared 9,000 years ago in the Rock Shelters of Bhimbetka in modern Madhya Pradesh, India.
Early Neolithic culture in South Asia is represented by the Mehrgarh findings (7000 BCE onwards) in present day Balochistan, Pakistan. Traces of a Neolithic culture have been found submerged in the Gulf of Khambat in India, radiocarbon dated to 7500 BCE.[7] The Edakkal Caves has one of the earliest exmples of stone age writing. Late Neolithic cultures sprang up in the Indus Valley region between 6000 and 2000 BCE and in southern India between 2800 and 1200 BCE.

We always hear the saying that in all myths there is a tiny kernel of truth. I remember reading about Rama's bridge

Whether this land bridge is man-made structure or just the top of a low lying mountain ridge that was eventually covered by the rising oceans and later built upon makes no difference to me. But what is surprising is that they knew about it and it wasn't until NASA was able to show it that the myths genesis was revealed.

Harappan civilization

There is very little concrete proof that Dwarka was actually a part of that civilization. There are very many similarities between the two. But to the untrained eye so are the similarities between ROME and Greece. However it does prove again what I have been speculating in that Dwarka was a separate and older location and was submerged before the Harappan showed up pretty much out of nowhere. Again we had "myths" first that were passed down surrounding its location. Then we had scientific proof later of their existence. Remember there is very little if any evidence of a development stage like what we see in Egypt.

Yet the Harappan had indoor plumbing, sewage and water storage. The city street layouts were extremely well thought. With detailed infrastructure supposedly at the earliest point in their existence. Where does one suppose that early development phase took place if not there then where? It had to have had a development phase and location. So far there have been no big discoveries on land. We do however have a very real possibility of a much older location just off the coast that does not fly in the face of other sciences about this possibility.

Harappan Civilization

One of the most fascinating yet mysterious cultures of the ancient world is the Harappan civilization. This culture existed along the Indus River in present day Pakistan. It was named after the city of Harappa which it was centered around. Harappa and the city of Mohenjo-Daro were the greatest achievements of the Indus valley civilization. These cities are well known for their impressive, organized and regular layout.
Over one hundred other towns and villages also existed in this region. The Harappan people were literate and used the Dravidian language. Only part of this language has been deciphered today, leaving numerous questions about this civilization unanswered.

Harrapan origin theories

There are several theories as to the origin of the Indus Valley civilization. The earliest hypothesis was that it was an early form of a Vedic civilization which would come to dominate most of South Asia, which was presumed to have been characterized by influence from Indo-European migrations. However, this theory began to be rejected when no signs of the traditional culture associated with the Vedas was uncovered in that of the Indus Valley. The absence of horses amongst the many realistic representations of animals was also considered significant, considering the importance of horses and chariots to the culture described in the Vedas. Detailed bone analysis has revealed that the horse itself was introduced to the subcontinent only at the beginning of the second millennium B.C., which contributes to the chronological problem with this theory.[35][36] Finally, the concept of urban life which dominates the Indus Valley civilization is foreign to the more rural lifestyle which is described in the Vedas.[37]

The next theory put forward was that the civilization was of proto-Dravidian origin.[38] This theory was first proposed by researchers from Russia and Finland who attempted to show that Indus valley symbols could be derived from the Dravidian language group. Today, the Dravidian language family is concentrated mostly in southern India and northern Sri Lanka, but pockets of it still remain throughout the rest of India and Pakistan (the Brahui language), which lends credence to the theory. Finnish Indologist Asko Parpola concludes that the uniformity of the Indus inscriptions precludes any possibility of widely different languages being used, and that an early form of Dravidian language must have been the language of the Indus people. However, the proto-Dravidian origin theory is far from being confirmed due to an emphasis on linguistic connection while evidence of a broader cultural connection remains to be found.[37]

Wasn't trying to get too far off topic but India's long history of oral traditions and fairly old written history is IMHO "Key" in understanding what happened to Mankind both {Pre and Post 10,000 B.C. aka the last of the ice age melt off} Again great presentation.

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